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		<title>By: Rachel J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad I found this sight. I&#039;m experiencing a devestating time with a man I thought was the love of my life. My daughter has been recovering from a brain injury and so for the let two years I was so engrossed in taking care of her that I did not know , that my boyfriend ws not drinking ice water out of the pint  glass but rather: gin. This  very sad discovery came upon moving in with him. I used to chalk up the alcohol on his breath to &quot;a&quot; beer after work. I guess I was snowed. I feel stupid, embarrassed, sad that he went to the extent of having me move in, in the middle of a personal trauma we had no control over, just to invite us into his dark secret like of alcoholism. After this past weekend and me finally working up the courage to open the dialogue in a non threatening but genuinely concerned manner regarding destructive  behavior- I have to say I am confused. Very confused. Hopefully coming here can lend some clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I found this sight. I&#8217;m experiencing a devestating time with a man I thought was the love of my life. My daughter has been recovering from a brain injury and so for the let two years I was so engrossed in taking care of her that I did not know , that my boyfriend ws not drinking ice water out of the pint  glass but rather: gin. This  very sad discovery came upon moving in with him. I used to chalk up the alcohol on his breath to &#8220;a&#8221; beer after work. I guess I was snowed. I feel stupid, embarrassed, sad that he went to the extent of having me move in, in the middle of a personal trauma we had no control over, just to invite us into his dark secret like of alcoholism. After this past weekend and me finally working up the courage to open the dialogue in a non threatening but genuinely concerned manner regarding destructive  behavior- I have to say I am confused. Very confused. Hopefully coming here can lend some clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Connie

I agree you about the emotional connection. My x would be happy to talk to me but it wasn&#039;t really a two way conversation. It often sounded like spin. Also you could never really catch his eye he was always on the move! Like his attention was always on something in the other room or a friend on the phone or which mate he was going to meet up with tommorow/this afternoon. He was never really with me in the moment.You begin to feel invisible or boring!

One time when he was on a come down I tried to talk to him gently about how the drugs were hurting him. He got up and walked into the conservatory. I could see him through the glass just standing there looking around slightly confused. Its like his legs had just picked him up and taken him away from the conversation! Eventually he picked something up as if he had gone into the room for it.

I did notice that one time at the end of sex he scooted down the other end of the bed .Like the emotional feelings were just too much or too alien. When i asked if he was ok he just waved his arm in a dismissive gesture and laughed saying oh its just everyhting.

Actually does anyone on here find that their patner does this arm waving stuff? its like they are a poletician.  They emphasise what they are saying with repeated arm or hand gestures.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Connie</p>
<p>I agree you about the emotional connection. My x would be happy to talk to me but it wasn&#8217;t really a two way conversation. It often sounded like spin. Also you could never really catch his eye he was always on the move! Like his attention was always on something in the other room or a friend on the phone or which mate he was going to meet up with tommorow/this afternoon. He was never really with me in the moment.You begin to feel invisible or boring!</p>
<p>One time when he was on a come down I tried to talk to him gently about how the drugs were hurting him. He got up and walked into the conservatory. I could see him through the glass just standing there looking around slightly confused. Its like his legs had just picked him up and taken him away from the conversation! Eventually he picked something up as if he had gone into the room for it.</p>
<p>I did notice that one time at the end of sex he scooted down the other end of the bed .Like the emotional feelings were just too much or too alien. When i asked if he was ok he just waved his arm in a dismissive gesture and laughed saying oh its just everyhting.</p>
<p>Actually does anyone on here find that their patner does this arm waving stuff? its like they are a poletician.  They emphasise what they are saying with repeated arm or hand gestures.</p>
<p>Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My exah was responsible,successful,funny and a caring
person.  Granted, there&#039;s probably as many scenarios and personality types in alcoholic marriages as there are brands of liquor. 

My problem was an emotional disconnect--or lack of connection. He could not handle emotion, which I know is why they drink. When he wanted to emotionally connect with me his answer was sex. I needed the other emotional stuff first.  

Has anybody had a terrific emotional connection with a drinker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My exah was responsible,successful,funny and a caring<br />
person.  Granted, there&#8217;s probably as many scenarios and personality types in alcoholic marriages as there are brands of liquor. </p>
<p>My problem was an emotional disconnect&#8211;or lack of connection. He could not handle emotion, which I know is why they drink. When he wanted to emotionally connect with me his answer was sex. I needed the other emotional stuff first.  </p>
<p>Has anybody had a terrific emotional connection with a drinker?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It strange how when the addict/alcoholic argues with us we know that they are being unreasonable and what they are saying is untrue but still we take it on as though it were true? Weird eh? 

Since reading all JC&#039;s tips I haven&#039;t argued with my boyfriend. Last time I saw my him we didn&#039;t argue even tough his behaviour really hadn&#039;t changed. I thought of myself much more as a seperate person observing his behaviour. 
Almost like I had a protective force field around me...It really helped but I think if I spent too much time with him I would lose myself to the addiction again. Luckily I live with a friend and go to work, so I get good in put from non-addicted people.

I have noticed that when he made me feel insecure I would get even more clingy and you can&#039;t get comfort from an addicted person it was a downways spiral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It strange how when the addict/alcoholic argues with us we know that they are being unreasonable and what they are saying is untrue but still we take it on as though it were true? Weird eh? </p>
<p>Since reading all JC&#8217;s tips I haven&#8217;t argued with my boyfriend. Last time I saw my him we didn&#8217;t argue even tough his behaviour really hadn&#8217;t changed. I thought of myself much more as a seperate person observing his behaviour.<br />
Almost like I had a protective force field around me&#8230;It really helped but I think if I spent too much time with him I would lose myself to the addiction again. Luckily I live with a friend and go to work, so I get good in put from non-addicted people.</p>
<p>I have noticed that when he made me feel insecure I would get even more clingy and you can&#8217;t get comfort from an addicted person it was a downways spiral.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yes and my boyfriend used to sit next to me showering attention on the cat and obsessively talking to the cat and stroking her. what a wind up! sometimes you have to smile at the weird way the disease of addiction works! My friends alcoholic husband left her then decorated the bedroom in his new place as an exact replica of the one in their marital home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yes and my boyfriend used to sit next to me showering attention on the cat and obsessively talking to the cat and stroking her. what a wind up! sometimes you have to smile at the weird way the disease of addiction works! My friends alcoholic husband left her then decorated the bedroom in his new place as an exact replica of the one in their marital home.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ben. Sorry you are experiencing all these mini arguments. I noticed that my boyfriend would do the same thing lots of little sarcastics digs, acting like a teasing teenage boy or deliberately contradicting me...I can really relate to the lump in the throat. I felt I needed some one there to defend me and witness what was going on but he did it when it was just the two of us. The behaviour is so ridiculous and unprovoked  but because you are hurting and in a heightened state of emotions yourself ( due to the painful rejection) you can not compute what is going on... you think is it me? I suppose that&#039;s what he wanted me to feel...is it me?

Over the space of an hour or two, the tension would build, the lumps in the throat would come. I also had the shallow breathing and nervous tummy too! until I couldn&#039;t pretend everything was ok anymore. I would express that I was upset...and bang he would blow up with righteous indignation, like he was sick of my &quot;nagging&quot;. When I was just trying d say how I felt and get some comfort. I think all the little jibes were leading to the point when I would leave and he could get high. Some of the anger was probably just his mood swings from his poor damaged brain but alot of it was to get me to react so he could be the victim and be left alone.

When you say &quot;she has broken me down to the core&quot; I am sorry you feel so beaten by it all...maybe when we all stop fighting the disease and accept they are ill, we wont take it all so much to heart. I really got so sucked in to the madness. At one point I kept waking up scared that some imaginary judge and dury would find me guilty! and all his friends would say its you....you tormented that poor man with your arguing and now he has died of an over dose. Crazy but I didn&#039;t tell my own friends about how much we argued so in a way I was hiding an addiction too.

reading all these posts and going to a therapist myself has really helped me. I hope you will see that it isn&#039;t just your partner who picks fights and blames. It seems to crop up in most of the posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben. Sorry you are experiencing all these mini arguments. I noticed that my boyfriend would do the same thing lots of little sarcastics digs, acting like a teasing teenage boy or deliberately contradicting me&#8230;I can really relate to the lump in the throat. I felt I needed some one there to defend me and witness what was going on but he did it when it was just the two of us. The behaviour is so ridiculous and unprovoked  but because you are hurting and in a heightened state of emotions yourself ( due to the painful rejection) you can not compute what is going on&#8230; you think is it me? I suppose that&#8217;s what he wanted me to feel&#8230;is it me?</p>
<p>Over the space of an hour or two, the tension would build, the lumps in the throat would come. I also had the shallow breathing and nervous tummy too! until I couldn&#8217;t pretend everything was ok anymore. I would express that I was upset&#8230;and bang he would blow up with righteous indignation, like he was sick of my &#8220;nagging&#8221;. When I was just trying d say how I felt and get some comfort. I think all the little jibes were leading to the point when I would leave and he could get high. Some of the anger was probably just his mood swings from his poor damaged brain but alot of it was to get me to react so he could be the victim and be left alone.</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;she has broken me down to the core&#8221; I am sorry you feel so beaten by it all&#8230;maybe when we all stop fighting the disease and accept they are ill, we wont take it all so much to heart. I really got so sucked in to the madness. At one point I kept waking up scared that some imaginary judge and dury would find me guilty! and all his friends would say its you&#8230;.you tormented that poor man with your arguing and now he has died of an over dose. Crazy but I didn&#8217;t tell my own friends about how much we argued so in a way I was hiding an addiction too.</p>
<p>reading all these posts and going to a therapist myself has really helped me. I hope you will see that it isn&#8217;t just your partner who picks fights and blames. It seems to crop up in most of the posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, I can completely relate to what you are saying.  I live with the same insanity.  My husband&#039;s alcoholism has been progressive - in the past few years, it has become hell.  I used to get apologies for outbursts - and the outbursts weren&#039;t that often.  He has been a drinker since I met him, only he used to  be a nice, kind person. I don&#039;t even recognize him anymore - I guess long term alcoholism changes the way the brain works.  When he says cruel, cutting, horrible things to me, I tell myself this is not truly him, but what alcoholism has done to him.  Then I wonder if he actually really does  hate me now - but he will tell me he &quot;loves&quot; me, yet this vile behavior continues.  I have been told they project the way they feel about themselves on to you - it doesn&#039;t help our hurt.  I have tried hard to detach - it&#039;s not easy.  I remember the nice person he was for many years - it&#039;s absolutely devastating to me how I am treated now.  At one time, I know he treasured me - now I feel I am nothing more than garbage to him.  The toll on my self-esteem - I don&#039;t know if I will ever truly recover from what he has put me and our two children through.  He makes me feel like I deserve to be treated like crap.  I do not know how they can be so convincing of this, when I know it is not true, but somehow, those intense, angry, hate-filled drunken eyes - he makes me feel like I am worthless.  I hope and pray he finds sobriety but if he is ever a normal thinking man again, and he remembers any of this, I wonder how he will ever be able to process such inhumane, vile treatment of another human being, a wife he used to treasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I can completely relate to what you are saying.  I live with the same insanity.  My husband&#8217;s alcoholism has been progressive &#8211; in the past few years, it has become hell.  I used to get apologies for outbursts &#8211; and the outbursts weren&#8217;t that often.  He has been a drinker since I met him, only he used to  be a nice, kind person. I don&#8217;t even recognize him anymore &#8211; I guess long term alcoholism changes the way the brain works.  When he says cruel, cutting, horrible things to me, I tell myself this is not truly him, but what alcoholism has done to him.  Then I wonder if he actually really does  hate me now &#8211; but he will tell me he &#8220;loves&#8221; me, yet this vile behavior continues.  I have been told they project the way they feel about themselves on to you &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t help our hurt.  I have tried hard to detach &#8211; it&#8217;s not easy.  I remember the nice person he was for many years &#8211; it&#8217;s absolutely devastating to me how I am treated now.  At one time, I know he treasured me &#8211; now I feel I am nothing more than garbage to him.  The toll on my self-esteem &#8211; I don&#8217;t know if I will ever truly recover from what he has put me and our two children through.  He makes me feel like I deserve to be treated like crap.  I do not know how they can be so convincing of this, when I know it is not true, but somehow, those intense, angry, hate-filled drunken eyes &#8211; he makes me feel like I am worthless.  I hope and pray he finds sobriety but if he is ever a normal thinking man again, and he remembers any of this, I wonder how he will ever be able to process such inhumane, vile treatment of another human being, a wife he used to treasure.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do your alcoholics pick a few small fights a day? I see mine doing so, and her fighting is very intense- storming out of the house, swearing, throwing things, saying very cruel things, not answering calls or texts, etc....It can be over anything- if I ask a question she doesn&#039;t like, pick a topic she doesn&#039;t like, have an opinion she doesn&#039;t like, walk the way she doesn&#039;t like, dress the way she doesn&#039;t like...let&#039;s not EVEN talk about driving. She makes me drive her everywhere, but criticizes my driving the entire time. The problem is six or seven times a day I have a lump in my throat and tell myself &quot;I can&#039;t live like this&quot; and then it gets better for a few hours, then another episode. Her perspective is &quot;you keep screwing up&quot; hence, she isn&#039;t wrong in how she treats me, I deserve it. There is seldom an apology. She has broken me down to the core. I am just wondering if all women act like this, or is it just this one? Also, do all alcoholics act like this, even when sober? I cannot imagine living life in her shoes, so I am wondering how other alcoholics behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do your alcoholics pick a few small fights a day? I see mine doing so, and her fighting is very intense- storming out of the house, swearing, throwing things, saying very cruel things, not answering calls or texts, etc&#8230;.It can be over anything- if I ask a question she doesn&#8217;t like, pick a topic she doesn&#8217;t like, have an opinion she doesn&#8217;t like, walk the way she doesn&#8217;t like, dress the way she doesn&#8217;t like&#8230;let&#8217;s not EVEN talk about driving. She makes me drive her everywhere, but criticizes my driving the entire time. The problem is six or seven times a day I have a lump in my throat and tell myself &#8220;I can&#8217;t live like this&#8221; and then it gets better for a few hours, then another episode. Her perspective is &#8220;you keep screwing up&#8221; hence, she isn&#8217;t wrong in how she treats me, I deserve it. There is seldom an apology. She has broken me down to the core. I am just wondering if all women act like this, or is it just this one? Also, do all alcoholics act like this, even when sober? I cannot imagine living life in her shoes, so I am wondering how other alcoholics behave.</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Shelly - my situation is very similar to yours.  My husband&#039;s alcoholism was very progressive, and I always felt he was a decent kind man, until the past couple of years when things really sped up.  Now he is mean, abusive and cruel.  The things he has said to me (and often later doesn&#039;t remember saying, or so he claims) have cut through me to the point of where I feel totally worthless and that I don&#039;t deserve anything, that I might actually deserve his cruelty.  Of course a part of me, when I get a grip on things, know this is just not true, but to be treated so terribly by someone who treated me with respect for over 20 years - to have it all go there other way, it&#039;s like he has taken on the personality of something evil.  The hate in his eyes, the long hard, cold stares at me - they are frightening.  He has destroyed the decent life we had and I know I cannot go on this way much longer because quite honestly, I&#039;d rather just die, it&#039;s that bad.  I just don&#039;t understand how alcoholism can turn someone who was good hearted and loving into this monster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Shelly &#8211; my situation is very similar to yours.  My husband&#8217;s alcoholism was very progressive, and I always felt he was a decent kind man, until the past couple of years when things really sped up.  Now he is mean, abusive and cruel.  The things he has said to me (and often later doesn&#8217;t remember saying, or so he claims) have cut through me to the point of where I feel totally worthless and that I don&#8217;t deserve anything, that I might actually deserve his cruelty.  Of course a part of me, when I get a grip on things, know this is just not true, but to be treated so terribly by someone who treated me with respect for over 20 years &#8211; to have it all go there other way, it&#8217;s like he has taken on the personality of something evil.  The hate in his eyes, the long hard, cold stares at me &#8211; they are frightening.  He has destroyed the decent life we had and I know I cannot go on this way much longer because quite honestly, I&#8217;d rather just die, it&#8217;s that bad.  I just don&#8217;t understand how alcoholism can turn someone who was good hearted and loving into this monster.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 21:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sally...
I&#039;m going to be blunt with you...and not say anymore.  Run away from this guy...protect your kids...he still likes partying it sounds like...not something you want to teach your kids...and not what they need to see.  There&#039;s more fish in the sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sally&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m going to be blunt with you&#8230;and not say anymore.  Run away from this guy&#8230;protect your kids&#8230;he still likes partying it sounds like&#8230;not something you want to teach your kids&#8230;and not what they need to see.  There&#8217;s more fish in the sea.</p>
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